Finding the source of chatter

Dear Doc: We ID-grind steel bearing rings with a CBN wheel running at 8,500 rpm and a workpiece running at 120 rpm. We get about 70 chatter marks around the inner circumference of the ring. I’m trying to figure out if the chatter is coming from an untrue or imbalanced wheel or just basic, self-excited chatter. Is my thinking right on this? And is there a way to tell?

The Doc replies: Your thinking is right, and there’s a simple test to see where the chatter is coming from. First, something is happening at a frequency of 140 chatters per second, and we have to figure out what that “something” is. [Chatter frequency in Hz = number of chatter marks per workpiece revolution × workpiece rpm / 60 = 70 × 120 / 60 = 140.]

Chatter has many possible sources, but let’s start with the two most likely: 1) an out-of-balance or out-of-true wheel or 2) self-excited chatter — that is, the wheel/spindle bouncing up and down at its natural frequency or the workpiece/toolholder bouncing up and down at its natural frequency. An out-of-balance or out-of-true wheel chatters at the wheel rpm, so 8,500 rpm = 142 revolutions per second. If one of those natural frequencies is about 140 Hz and the workpiece is running at 120 rpm, that will give around 70 chatters on the workpiece. [Number of chatter marks per workpiece revolution = chatter frequency in Hz × 60 / workpiece rpm, or 140 × 60 / 120 = 70.]

Since your wheel rpm and potential natural frequency are very close, how can we know if the chatter is coming from an out-of-balance/out-of-true wheel or the self-excited natural frequency? Simply slow down the wheel rpm and see if the chatter marks become farther apart (with fewer chatters per revolution). If they do, that points toward out-of-balance or out-of-true chatter. If they stay the same, that points toward self-excited chatter.